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	<title>Comments on: How To Use A Door Zone Bike Lane</title>
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		<title>By: Lovely Bicycle!</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovely Bicycle!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I will link it up to my website in the &quot;articles&quot; section. It really is amazing how resistant cyclists are to the idea of it being safer to ride along the leftmost part of the lane. When I ride away from the door zone in Cambridge and Somerville, some cyclists will actually &lt;i&gt;pass me on the right&lt;/i&gt; when they wish to go around me, in the space between me and the parked car I am intentionally trying to avoid! When this happens (or I can sense that it is about to happen), I yell out in the friendliest voice I can manage to &quot;please pass me on the &lt;i&gt;left&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. In response, I often get something like &quot;Then get the f* over to the right where you&#039;re supposed to be!&quot; 

Fun fact: I often travel to Vienna, Austria for work and bike lanes there are mandatory - meaning that you are not legally allowed to cycle outside of them in areas where they are present (and this is strictly enforced). Some of those bike lanes are in the door zone, just like in Boston, but are narrower - so that essentially there is nowhere you can go within the legally permitted space of the lane to get away from an open door. Horrified, I asked some friends about this. Their response was that it is the driver&#039;s responsibility to check the bike lane before opening the door. I had nightmares after cycling in those lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I will link it up to my website in the &#8220;articles&#8221; section. It really is amazing how resistant cyclists are to the idea of it being safer to ride along the leftmost part of the lane. When I ride away from the door zone in Cambridge and Somerville, some cyclists will actually <i>pass me on the right</i> when they wish to go around me, in the space between me and the parked car I am intentionally trying to avoid! When this happens (or I can sense that it is about to happen), I yell out in the friendliest voice I can manage to &#8220;please pass me on the <i>left</i>&#8220;. In response, I often get something like &#8220;Then get the f* over to the right where you&#8217;re supposed to be!&#8221; </p>
<p>Fun fact: I often travel to Vienna, Austria for work and bike lanes there are mandatory &#8211; meaning that you are not legally allowed to cycle outside of them in areas where they are present (and this is strictly enforced). Some of those bike lanes are in the door zone, just like in Boston, but are narrower &#8211; so that essentially there is nowhere you can go within the legally permitted space of the lane to get away from an open door. Horrified, I asked some friends about this. Their response was that it is the driver&#8217;s responsibility to check the bike lane before opening the door. I had nightmares after cycling in those lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;ve learned about biking in Boston &#124; Sammy Brooke</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-2100</link>
		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;ve learned about biking in Boston &#124; Sammy Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of a biker and a driver, and does an excellent job of explaining HOW to use them.Good advice from How to Use a Door Zone Bike Lane (a bike lane that has cars parked next to it): You are going to have to trust me on this, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of a biker and a driver, and does an excellent job of explaining HOW to use them.Good advice from How to Use a Door Zone Bike Lane (a bike lane that has cars parked next to it): You are going to have to trust me on this, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Boston Biker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Doored</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-2079</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston Biker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Doored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we will never hear about someone getting doored ever again. For tips on door zone bike lanes see here. Related Posts:Yes PleaseAhhhhhhhh Cute!Bicycle Powered Christmas TreeWhat Happens When You Try To [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we will never hear about someone getting doored ever again. For tips on door zone bike lanes see here. Related Posts:Yes PleaseAhhhhhhhh Cute!Bicycle Powered Christmas TreeWhat Happens When You Try To [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of avoicing getting doored, I advise being cautious and driving slowly when you are cycling to the right of stopped traffic.  The door-ing you least expect comes from someone getting out of a car (frequently a taxi, but not always) that is not pulled over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of avoicing getting doored, I advise being cautious and driving slowly when you are cycling to the right of stopped traffic.  The door-ing you least expect comes from someone getting out of a car (frequently a taxi, but not always) that is not pulled over.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston Biker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How To Use A Door Zone Bike Lane Part 2: Attack Of The Door Zone!</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston Biker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How To Use A Door Zone Bike Lane Part 2: Attack Of The Door Zone!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while ago I wrote about how to use door zone bike lanes. In which I posited the following argument: Bike lanes are good because they draw out more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] while ago I wrote about how to use door zone bike lanes. In which I posited the following argument: Bike lanes are good because they draw out more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More discussion here:  http://www.universalhub.com/node/28039</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More discussion here:  <a href="http://www.universalhub.com/node/28039" rel="nofollow">http://www.universalhub.com/node/28039</a></p>
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		<title>By: danimal</title>
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		<dc:creator>danimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No two identical fermions may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No two identical fermions may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously! <img src='http://bostonbiker.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-1535</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, wider parking lanes mean people dont park as close to the curb as they should. Think of the rightmost line in the bike lane as a visual reminder to drivers to park close to the curb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, wider parking lanes mean people dont park as close to the curb as they should. Think of the rightmost line in the bike lane as a visual reminder to drivers to park close to the curb.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schimek</title>
		<link>http://bostonbiker.org/2009/09/29/how-to-use-a-door-zone-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schimek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you write: &quot;no amount of logic or well thought out study is going to make people “feel” different. Many people need an actual physical “something” to make them feel safer&quot; I&#039;m tempted to add, &quot;Yeah, like a nice hard door hitting them in the face.&quot; But that would be cruel.

Despite what you say about legal niceties, most motorists and police officers believe that when there is a bike lane the bicyclist had better be in it.

When the only safe place to ride is on the lane line (as Liam suggests) or outside of the bike lane (as Jeremy says, referring to Columbus Ave), you&#039;ve got yourself a recipe for harassment. Even when it&#039;s easy to pass, and especially when it&#039;s impossible (Columbus Ave on a Sunday, when median parking is tolerated).

Then there is the message sent to bicyclists: come ride in the safe new bike lane. See the press release for new bike lanes in previous post. It doesn&#039;t say, &quot;Come enjoy the new bike lanes, but only ride in the leftmost foot of them.&quot;

There is a comment about keeping to the left of a bike lane to avoid doors on the &#039;Safety&#039; page of the Boston website,  http://www.cityofboston.gov/bikes/safety.asp#bike

I think it was stolen and condensed from the LAB&#039;s page [http://www.bikeleague.org/resources/better/roadrules.php], but without the repeated admonition, &quot;Never ride within three feet of parked cars&quot;

In terms of alternatives, how about widening parking lanes to 10-11 feet, and putting a bike shared lane marking to the LEFT of the lane line. Repeated studies have shown that motorists give MORE room to bicyclists when passing them within the same lane.

And how about having the Mayor announce: &quot;Under city and state law, all roads are for bicycles as much as they are for cars. I am working with city agencies to make sure that all our roads are designed, maintained, and policed with bicyclists in mind. This includes giving tickets to bicyclists who violate the rules of the roads. Nor will not tolerate threats and harassment of bicyclists. Starting today, bicycle police officers will be operating in plain clothes from time to time, and will be giving tickets to motorists who disobey the traffic law or who make threats.&quot;

He has never said any of that -- and probably never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you write: &#8220;no amount of logic or well thought out study is going to make people “feel” different. Many people need an actual physical “something” to make them feel safer&#8221; I&#8217;m tempted to add, &#8220;Yeah, like a nice hard door hitting them in the face.&#8221; But that would be cruel.</p>
<p>Despite what you say about legal niceties, most motorists and police officers believe that when there is a bike lane the bicyclist had better be in it.</p>
<p>When the only safe place to ride is on the lane line (as Liam suggests) or outside of the bike lane (as Jeremy says, referring to Columbus Ave), you&#8217;ve got yourself a recipe for harassment. Even when it&#8217;s easy to pass, and especially when it&#8217;s impossible (Columbus Ave on a Sunday, when median parking is tolerated).</p>
<p>Then there is the message sent to bicyclists: come ride in the safe new bike lane. See the press release for new bike lanes in previous post. It doesn&#8217;t say, &#8220;Come enjoy the new bike lanes, but only ride in the leftmost foot of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a comment about keeping to the left of a bike lane to avoid doors on the &#8216;Safety&#8217; page of the Boston website,  <a href="http://www.cityofboston.gov/bikes/safety.asp#bike" rel="nofollow">http://www.cityofboston.gov/bikes/safety.asp#bike</a></p>
<p>I think it was stolen and condensed from the LAB&#8217;s page [http://www.bikeleague.org/resources/better/roadrules.php], but without the repeated admonition, &#8220;Never ride within three feet of parked cars&#8221;</p>
<p>In terms of alternatives, how about widening parking lanes to 10-11 feet, and putting a bike shared lane marking to the LEFT of the lane line. Repeated studies have shown that motorists give MORE room to bicyclists when passing them within the same lane.</p>
<p>And how about having the Mayor announce: &#8220;Under city and state law, all roads are for bicycles as much as they are for cars. I am working with city agencies to make sure that all our roads are designed, maintained, and policed with bicyclists in mind. This includes giving tickets to bicyclists who violate the rules of the roads. Nor will not tolerate threats and harassment of bicyclists. Starting today, bicycle police officers will be operating in plain clothes from time to time, and will be giving tickets to motorists who disobey the traffic law or who make threats.&#8221;</p>
<p>He has never said any of that &#8212; and probably never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Today’s ride, on which I question my cultural identity &#171; BikingInLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Today’s ride, on which I question my cultural identity &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 65-year old KC cyclist was intentionally hit by an impatient driver. Boston Biker offers advice on how to avoid the door zone when riding in a bike lane; plus advice from Philly on how to pass in one — though you might [...]</description>
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